Should people ever be forced to have RFID tags implanted?

This week’s question concerns the forcible implantation of radio frequency identification (RFID) tags in people. In 2006, Cincinnati- based surveillance company CityWatcher.com required its employees to be implanted with the tags. The Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs, which develops policies for the American Medical Association, found that there is no guarantee that the information contained in the tags can be properly protected. The Council also found that RFID tags might travel under the skin, making them hard to remove at a later time. California has recently joined Wisconsin and North Dakota in passing legislation that prohibits employers and others from forcing anyone to have an RFID device implanted under their skin. What do you think? Should people ever be forced to have RFID tags implanted?

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Simple answer. NEVER! That would be an intrusion on every privacy that any of us, as Americans, has ever fought to preserve. And there is no place in industry for an employer to EVER have the kind of control impled by this on employees.

That said, if it is a known condition of a job application (such as to aid tracking when an employee is working in a hazardous duty area [tank cleaning operations/oil or gas drilling in remote sites/Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan), an employee could be told that as a condition of employment he/she was required to accept it, or accept that risk that, if down on the job site, the employee might be beyond help, with the employer suffering no responsibility as a result. We’re big folks, so we have to make choices and personally assume attendant risks.

As long as it is known up front, that works. But a changed employee/employer contract could never be an excuse for such a requirement.

Alberto García

Alberto García’s avatar

I’d love to be implanted my USB-stick under my skin - so I would not lose it again. Not anymore on USB, maybe on Bluetooth or Zigbee (WiFi?). Same for medical information, VISA data…

But again, I should know everything about the device - Forced implants with government “hidden” info or tracking systems… sounds pretty dangerous for privacy.

And most important, who would / could read it? Not my insurance company, I hope :)

No US citizen should have RF tags forcibly implanted.

Before deportation, illegal aliens should have RF tags implanted in places where they will be expensive and difficult to remove. This will make it easier to catch them if they ever come back.

For general public as a whole - NO! Would not want a hacker to be able to tell that I was not home so my home could be robbed. Certain information in the wrong hands could be dangerous.

For convicted felones, those on probation, sex offenders, killers-YES
Some people need to be able to be traced.

For employees - NO - On the job monitoring could be done be a simple RFID Badge that could be worn while at work and then be turned in at the end of the day.

I was not born with a RFID tag, so I don’t think I need one!!

No! No! No!…Not even if it is a known condition of employment. It should never be allowed as a condition of employment. Allowing RFID to be conditional to employment would eventually lead to all employers making that condition. Eventually the government will make it mandatory for “security purposes but it would not be abused”, and if you believe that line then you are of all men most gullible.
NO!

I think it would be an excellent tool for tracking parolees, convicted rapists and other registered sex offenders. The question to be answered is when does a person’s right to personal safety override another person’s right to privacy.

The implantation of RFID devices should be voluntary. There may be circumstances where a court may indeed order such a device if no other alternative exists. A company that requires all of its employees to have the device implanted as a condition of employment is opening themselves up for litigation should something adverse show up years down the road.

The Nazis tried this during WWII with the tatoos on the wrist. Shame on anyone even considering this for ANYONE.

1984 anyone? This is something even those ‘Godless’ Communists
never would have stood up for! What on earth are these people
thinking? This sounds like some idea someone who belongs to
the Grand Old Perverts came up with. :-(

Don’t tell me… it’s For The Children ™, right?

Why not just forcibly tattoo everyone’s Social Security number on their forearm? Cheaper, and it will make it easier for the jack-booted thugs to round us up for “processing”. Need something that can be read cheaply and quickly for automation? Slap a barcode below it. Tattoo process too slow? How about etching it in the skin permanently with a laser beam??

Anyone here ever read Orwell’s 1984? Anyone here ever see “Soylent Green”? Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

To even consider something like this in what is _supposed_ to be the most free nation on earth shows how far we’ve moved from our “core beliefs”.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
(Attributed to Ben Franklin)

You want to put something IN me that I can’t conveniently remove, then you will have to guarantee me a job for as long as I live. If this is to be a criteria for holding the job, then the job has to be mine for as long as the device is implanted.

You Dont Know Me but I Know You

You Dont Know Me but I Know You’s avatar

Yes Yes!

Please.
I can make a handheld device that can read your rfids in your wallets or in your bodies.

I can break the current “encryption” schemes that are used.
Please use RFIDs more.
I can steal more of your identities that way.
And break into more corporate offices.

You Dont Know Me but I Know You

Yes - but - only those individuals who, through final court action, have been required to forfeit that portion of their personal freedom. This would include convicted felons who are forever prohibited from holding public office or owning a firearm, convicted child molesters who are forever required to notify appropriate agencies of their location, and the like. They should only be required to protect the general public from very specific threats, and, then, only with a court order. They should never be required for the convenience or profit of another.

Never for law abiding citizens. YES for convicted felons, registered sex offenders, and possibly those under house confinement by the courts. Those who prey upon the law abiding give up their right to privacy. Otherwise, NEVER for the law abiding.

It should never happen but it will (Revelation 13:16,17 and 14:9,10). Not only should we never accept this, but woe to those who even voluntarily do so.

They can use it to find my grave because I will be dead when they do it. Just because something is possible does not mean it is a good idea. As to criminals, I say no as well. It is possible they can be rehabilitated. If this is not possible then keep them where they would not cause harm.

That this question is even being considered and asked, shows how far we have come from “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” as envisioned by our Founding Fathers.

David McCutcheon

David McCutcheon’s avatar

It should be mandatory for all sex offenders and all felons to be so tagged. They gave up their right to privacy and freedom when they chose to break the law in the manner that they did. We should know where these people are at all times, or don’t you care about your offspring and your hard earned savings.

Only for convicted felons of violent crime or terrorists - whose location is important to track - after judicial approval where the need is justified. If used for parolees, it should be removed upon their completion of parole.
Who would pay the cost of implantation, removal and liability should the carrier suffer debilitating consequences?
Under no circumstances should this ever be permitted by non-governmental entities.

It’s already been said several times, but I must add express my agreement with the previous posts that have accepted this as a viable method of tracking convicted felons and illegal aliens. I also belive it is important that they must be very difficult to remove. I will add, that they must not be erasable and that they should not be encrypted in any manner.

It is the public’s right to know immediately if a felon or illegal alien has entered their business, home or standing next to them in a subway, street corner. Pending the start of this program, portable RFID scanning capabilty could be added to many of our portable electronic devices.

Think of the new business opportunities and how easily we could keep criminals out of a variety locations. If they have to walk through a doorway controlled by an RFID scanner it wouldn’t open for convicts or aliens. First installations should be at our public schools and then at the welfare office.

This will never happen because it would work too well.

Mickey Christensen

Mickey Christensen’s avatar

I feel that employers should not be allowed to force RFID implants. People change jobs too much now for that to be a long term solution to most problems.
However, I do feel that for certain types of criminals, this would be a good thing to help keep track of them. Since Katrina, many sex offenders are wandering the streets and have not reported in to a police authority like they are supposed to do.
Some other types of criminals should also be implanted.

Although the idea is attractive for tracking the evil ones as they move among us, it would only provide a false sense of security, as removal or destruction of the RFID device can not be prevented, but you could provide consequences, such as the device breaking down into cyanide if it is destroyed or touches air. That’s not something you’d want implanted in your kids.

Some hackers have already figured out ways to make computer viruses propogate through these things. The only protection against that is to make them ‘read only’.

If they’re all “read only” a master database will have keep track of whether this person is friend or foe. Once you reach that point, it would be easy for a hacker or evil civil servant to declare somebody public enemy number one with one mouse click.

To have any credibility at all, you’d have to encode a person’s DNA sequence into the serial number so that there is some sure way to match the RFID tag to the person it is implanted in to prevent mis-(leading)-identification in the event of death.

Absolutely not. Why not ask a survivor of Auschwitz
who still carries a tattooed number on their forearm?
Anyone ignorant enough to answer yes to this question
should be considered a Nazi and treated as such.

As a general rule, NO. However there are some exceptions where it could be required for identification purposes, such as convicted pedophiles, sexual predators, and violent felons. There could be other instances where it could be a requirement to receive certain services, where the individual has the choice to accept it or not. But by declining they would then be ineligible to receive assistance. This would only apply to hand-outs/charity such as welfare and Medicaid, not entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare that you have paid into, or unemployment that you worked for.

Maurizio Brocchi

Maurizio Brocchi’s avatar

Certainly NOT for workers, I agree instead to have all people convicted for penal criminal offence to be tagged !

Maybe it can get a little complicated if used in a different way.